Thanks for quick response and my apologies for the short delay to reply.
Yep I tried that menu button trick with no luck, then..... I discovered some of the buttons on the remote wasn't working, menu being one of them, I could turn the set off and on though. so a new handset is required or a borrowed one.
The gremlins are sure out today, no joy with the TV buttons just to add. Let you know how it goes for the benefit of others, thanks Sparky.
Dave