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Equipment Repairs => LCD TV forum => Topic started by: tv tony on April 17, 2012,07:58:36
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There is an increasing use of the forum from people stating simply their tv does not work, please help. If the people dont even attempt to make cursory checks then how on earth can us people with a technical background possibly aid in a reliable diagnosis, I have noticed in the last few months hardened users of this site post less and less, apart from the much missed Doug(rip) I know of at least four regular contributers who we dont see as often, if this is taken in the wrong text I apologize, but it is happening more and more, with Muljas permission I take the spammers off as and when so lets get some real posts going again, as we used to.
Regards
Tony Walker
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Well said tony there are people who are in the trade on this forum
ask for help even before they take the back of the set surely
they must have a look inside before asking and checking a
few componets
dave
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Well said Tony, I confess I check in most days but there is rarely a post I can contribute to. And the re-emergence of the Samsung clicking fault made me SCREAM, :41: before xmas I had 4 Samsung jobs in a row, 2 plasmas, 1 LCD and a VCR for gods sake, and every customer said the same thing “been on internet, it’s a common problem, caps in the PSU, it will only cost a few quid to put right” for the record NONE of the faults were caused by caps in the PSU.
So come on people, as much detail as possible, do some checks and we will try to help. If you have no electronics experience please takes it to your local engineer.
Thanks
Ps. For my sanity, please no more Samsung clicking posts! There is already more than enough info on the site.
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Hi Guys,
I’ve got this proby with this Sameysongi LDC it’s NOT WORKING has this click click click noise coming from this black square plastic thing on one of the boards.
As you have gathered I do know what I’m talking about.
Any help much appreciated as I’ve got my soldering station turned on.
Regards
Pan
ps I do agree with your comments.
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Hello Pan, I didnt know how to take your post, it may be a couple of those little round things on a circuit board somewhere in the tv, on a serious note a few of the caps might have failed, look for any swelling on them, they dont always swell but may have a high ESR, worst case scenario the eeprom may want doing as well. Good luck.
Tony Walker
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Tony.
I agree with what you've said 100%,
Glad to see you still take an interest in this forum as I don't think other admin. read the forum or answer direct questions.
If an engineer can't tell the difference between a lcd/plasma/crt, then they shouldn't be supprised if they don't get help. Yes, taking the back off is a problem, all those screws, but perhaps looking at the fault before posting might save everyone else some time, time that is given freely on this forum.
If this is a technical forum, then ask a technical question, if this is simply a forum that is here for members of the public to get some free help, have a nose and help put some engineers out of the trade then I don't think I should be posting on it.
regards
Andy
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Hi Tony,
You are right in everything you say, and I used to post quite a lot, but, like you say the postings are so vague that it is impossible to contribute, I think Mystic Meg would be more likely to be able to find the fault with the information SUPPLIED!
I originally posted on this site hoping that fellow engineers could exchange advice and experience,
but, lately it has become a one way street and I think the few engineers that post on here have become
a bit disillusioned.
I don't what the answer is, other than this site being only acessible to those who can prove their credentials?
Brian
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Brian,
As this is an forum that is easy to read and to post by members of the public, it puts a lot if engineers off from posting. Its not a case of not wanting to post info. , its more that once service info., repair tips or experiances are posted, then anyone can read it. I know it prevents me from posting on the site quite often
Andy
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Hi Andy,
I totally understand, and I think the only way to improve feedback from 'engineers' is to make it an 'engineers only' forum, but I presume the reason the forum was formed was to provide universal help to everyone.
I presume also by having a universal audience also makes the forum more attractive to advertisers?
Brian
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Hi Tony,
I was pulling your leg.
Regards
Pan
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Hi
Talking about missing "posters" what has to Turnip?
I haven't used my Norfolk to english dictionary for ages!!
Brian
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happened*
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hiya pan, pillock, 1-0 to you, take care
tony
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Hi
Ok :iagree:
Please your ideas how to make website of your dreams?
i think need to write rules of posting and make sticky on all first pages
something like:
before you post read rules!!!!
make
model
chassis
pictures if possible
what did you check
what voltages missing
and if somebody ask stu***d question just tell him read the rules
and post all information what need
also i thing to put some technical question on registration page
(please send me ideas of questions by private message)
and together write rules
thanks to all
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im on it mulja, take care,
tony
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also i thing to put some technical question on registration page
But the answer could probably be found on Google!
Maybe identify some components in a circuit? UJT's usually catch people out! Caught me out in the past!
TMF ask for proof of qualifications / experience, but there is no real way to check that with the Data protection act and all that.
I think charging a membership fee is the only real way to keep Joe Public and the spammers out. But that will also deter some genuine technicians too.
Mulja could be on to something making certain info compulsory on fault help requests. Insufficient info = post removed?
Tricky, but we will all plod on and make the odd pound.
Anyway, gotta fix this TV that won't switch on, any ideas?
Keith
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hi
some people ask's whats causing a fault even before they take the back off
or even have tv in workshop,i think there is no way asking if they have any
qualification all they do is google it for the nessary answer
dave
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I'm guilty of being 'joe public' but try to ensure I give as much info as possible in my posts, mainly so if someone uses the search and my thread/posts are relevant they can use the info to help.
I don't get a huge amount of TV's to fix, but they always seem to end up coming my way, I've had a number of sets that have had attempted repairs (usually Samsungs with new caps but corrupt eeproms)
If the site does change to 'pro only' please consider taking me with you, I promise to behave and post nicely :72:
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Would it be difficult to make the forum so you had to log in to see the replies?
Also, if you get asked a direct question, its always nice to get an answer, or is it just me that thinks that?
regards
Andy
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Everybody would have to as first,that raises a question for technically solution to position more punctual questions. I would have above all to list very punctual mark of a machine,as many a time is only some additional letters in the background of mark very important because there can be talk about completely different type of chassis. Punctual mark can be punctual answer more as her more.
I would be advising everybody as other, that electronic mail has mail also validly next to his basic data,because own innumerably service instructions and of schemes, that they are surpassing possibility of attaching on this forum and I could forward them in such case directly.
And still something would be very beautiful, that grammatically clean language is being used (not salty) because bi was like this fewer problems over use of translator
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I agree that some new members do come on and post "how to fix this" with no details whatsoever, this can be extremely irritating.
I'm not one of you techie guys, well not where it comes to tv's, but i do understand that to get a coherent reply you need to add as much detail as possible.
Members, like me, who are not tv engineers but do have some experience of electronics (pc's for me), do like to try to learn a little more than most.
I've been online here nearly everyday since joining and do a LOT of reading,thats the best way to learn.
If none tv engineers are barred from the site, people like me, who like to learn, are lumped in with the numpties just looking for a quick fix. Not fair in my opinion.
I'm a mod on a couple of satellite forums so i do understand the frustration that some of our members feel, i feel it to when i read some of these daft posts. :wink1:
Well guys thats just my opinion, hope it counts for something. :c017:
PS. I'm also good at reporting spammers! :97:
PPS What about there being a forum rules section that all new members MUST visit, there it could be quickly explained that to get an answer to a question as much info must be provided, if not done the post could be removed.
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Hi folks,
Always thought it rather good that this is an open site where most folks are happy to share repair info. Even non-tech folks sometimes notice things qualifed types miss whilst theorising.
Must admit - faced with a fault not met before go web-wide for some sort of answer - most is crap but an occasional gem is discovered.
Thanks Brian, was formerly busy with a curious disposing tat business of a chap - now 94, and in care - who had been collecting electronic gear since WW2, eventually still buying but not bothering opening the boxes.
His wife thought I might sort it and Ebay - depressing results so far.
Unlike you, most modern folks don't know a WW2 CV6 from an RK34 (CV6 - low cap Osc triode / RK34 - power double triode) as they both have 2 top caps.
Well - It's Norfolk where everything is still possible, and most likely - Chris.
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The problem, as we are all aware, in posting in an open forum is your average Barney Bodger Joe Public can read what has often taken us hours to find and years of experience(!)
I'm fed up of constantly being told "I've read this on the internet". "It's capacitators". Etc...
Helping fellow engineers is great. But in doing so in a public forum is shooting ourselves in the feet. If we keep doing so, not sure we'll stay on 'em too much longer.
How about creating a closed group mailing list? Let's face it, there aren't that many useful, active members on here. Even if it were 50, it'd be easy to do. One email cc'd to all in the group, reply if you have an answer. Cuts out the numpties.
Just a thought.
:brinda:
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I agree 100%, no idea why engineers want to put themselves out of work. The problem with a closed group email is you can get 10 people helping 1 person & no one helping another. Also a forum is a good place for ideas to develop. Why not have a sign in page so service info. wasn't able to be seen by the entire internet?
Regards
Andy
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Hi all i must admit i dont post often but that is mainly due to the fact that there are other far better qualified people already answering the people who go to the effort of putting as much info as they can muster for their problem .
Most of the work i end up with is from people who have read on the net about a fix and they have tried it and in the process have done more harm than good .
I agree that there should be a minimum requirement of info on a post ie
Full model num
Board nums and pictures.
And i have had people come to me with their telly saying " I have been told its just a few caps that need replacing should only come to a Tenner "
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Hi all i must admit i dont post often but that is mainly due to the fact that there are other far better qualified people already answering the people who go to the effort of putting as much info as they can muster for their problem .
Most of the work i end up with is from people who have read on the net about a fix and they have tried it and in the process have done more harm than good .
I agree that there should be a minimum requirement of info on a post ie
Full model num
Board nums and pictures.
And i have had people come to me with their telly saying " I have been told its just a few caps that need replacing should only come to a Tenner "
Just tell your costumer if he so smart to fix his tv himself
tell him
" he not paying for capacitors which cost £3 and changed take 10 min but for what you know what should be changed and where its is ( for your brain ) "
may be to fix first tv with this fault you spend days
but now only 10 min ( easy then you know )
ok anyway cant see any specific proposals
what about technical questions and answers on registration page
send to me by private messages
thank to all
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Mulja,
"you do not see any specific proposals"
Have you read any of this thread or just bits of it?
Regards
Andy
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Hi Mulja, and well said,
Keen on newcomers, even if a bit doubtful - takes time to become Quuq cool - Chris
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Mulja.
I know its an oxymoron but why don't you answer any questions that are asked directly at you. Is it some joke I'm not let in on?
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PROBABLY MY LAST POST
Hi guys
When I first joined this forum I shared Chris' views, at the time I thought only engineers would be interested in this site with the odd post from joe public, HOW WRONG I WAS!, almost ever customer I see has been on 'tinternet' and tells me it will be a 'capacitator' and only cost a few quid to fix, when I explain that fault wont be caused by a capacitor and I will have to see the set to diagnose the fault I loose the job! :41: Its getting silly
We have made the job look easy and are giving away hours worth of work for free to the public , we have shot ourselfs in the foot. I know some engineers will disagree with me but I suspect their business consists of a good chunk of warranty work, where mine is 100% public.
So I will still check posts and if I can help other engineers I will respond via email. this is a great forum , PLEASE make it engineers only before we all end up on the dole.
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well said joe public killing trade
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If you look at previous posts,2011,2010,you will see JOE publics always been here.As far back as i can remember JOE PUBLIC has come in and seid my tv wont come on,its only the on/off switch.Wont cost much will it.If you have a reputation of doing a good job at a fair price,you will be ok.
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I will allways try and help if im able.maybe not an expert but a FRIEND.
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It's always been the same in this trade. "It's only the picture valve, it's only the sound valve, it's only a fuse, it's only the on off switch, it's only a loose wire, and now it's only capacitors"
It doesn't really matter what they think the the problem is, most people don't have the knowledge or skills to do it themselves, that's why they opt to pay a qualified engineer.
Repair remedies were available to the public before the internet, in Television Magazine, component companies also advertised, so Mr Public could buy his 1N4148's BC107's and 680kΩ but what does he do with them then?
We haven't always helped ourselves! Offering free call outs, free estimates, free repairs practically!
Domestic appliance engineers generally have a call out charge, £40 seems average, so you get paid even if the repair can't be or isn't done. Customers don't say it's only a fuse to them!
I've moved away from TV repairs so don't do many now, 1 or 2 a month.
The internet is a wonderful source of information, but it's not always correct or relevant information!
Until my Euro Millions cheque arrives, I will still be fixing things!
Keith
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A reply from Marky mark to this discussion
'I use this forum a few times. No point in calling a TV guy round if you get the answer for free, it shouws what a group of trained amatures can do when they all get together.
Woop-woop. Go Quug'
Well, says it all really...... :03:
Dave
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A reply from Marky mark to this discussion
'I use this forum a few times. No point in calling a TV guy round if you get the answer for free, it shouws what a group of trained amatures can do when they all get together.
Woop-woop. Go Quug'
Well, says it all really...... :03:
Dave
The majority of people wont even go behind their tv to make sure the scarts plugged in properly.So to think everyones gonna search this forum and put everyone out of work is just stupid.Yes you are going to have people turn up saying iv read on the internet this or that,well tell them to get on with it then and not bother you.I myself dont touch a set brought in if it looks like someones been in,(ie screws missing,wiring not tied down ect).
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Hi There folks,
Must agree with most posts - am amused on getting an LCD with half the screws missing - guess cust was looking for the picture valve - well it shows enterprise. Usually they just swap a couple of plugs then give up, so if I can't fix it I get it for spares - always useful.
When I started in this trade, the service manager turned up on an 100cc motorcycle, rain or shine, and the workshop was a 50's broom-cupboard - we also did aerials, with little gear, and no hard hats.
The 70's made us heros with colour tellies at £500 a hit, and no-one but us dared try mend one due to those X rays folks talked about whilst shielding their privates.
Tellies then got Progressively cheaper, and now they are disposable, so anyone will have a go try mend them with internet advice - get lots of customers who know how to mend them but haven't got an iron, or any solder.
Most folks I knew in the trade moved up-market years ago, and presumably have a decent pension.
Just like this trade, and poverty - Chris.
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I have been electronics for years doing repairs on anything electrical from Pinballs to laptops, however in my apinion i agree that some people have no idea on repairing anything electrical. But i think the reason for people not getting many TV repairs is down to people not having the money to afford the repairs or believing the repairs will be too expensive preferring to get a new TV rather than get it repaired.
The general public in my apinion have more of a mentality of if an item is broken then through it away and get a new one (which they believe is better!).
I have found that the repair market on many different products has dramatically decreased more recently i see this as a result of the current financial situation, though i don't see it getting any better!
If you do a good job on the repair then recommendations will result which dramatically helps spread the word :)
Perhaps to sift through people registering with a few obvious questions in electronics would help but i would be of the apinion that any stupid posts should be ignored by engineers and perhaps the relevant parties be flagged so that ultimately they would be removed after perhaps 3 warnings
Have a good weekend and be lucky :)
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I agree with most of what's been said, although its worth remembering that on a forum that no password or register is needed to view the content pages, no I.D. or proof of status (or intelligence) is needed to register & advice is freely given out to all then of course you will get postings from members of the public who want you to repair their set for only the componentss needed.
Someone can ask for help giving just a symptom then several people will give cct. Ref.
Were to get the parts, part number
Explain the difference between radial & axial capacitors
Without wanting to make myself unpopular then with at least one member then you will get every Tom, Dick & Marky Mark who can use Google posting or reading about their set.
Technical advice is great but to hand hold through a repair is borderline stupid as it would hint that the person may actually hurt / kill themself, damage the board so it can't be fixed, make an unsafe repair or damage the equipment further & yes it does put engineers out of work AND put some good engineers off from joining & posting on the forum.
If you want to help the trade & yourselves repair sets then sometimes its better to engage brain before setting off (and yes, I may regret saying that later)
Don't think that the public are to stupid to repair sets, times are hard for everyone right now so you can't blame them from asking advice.
Regards
Andy
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To: Ohm Supplies
Hi
i can give you Global Moderator Permissions
and you can change lot of things on forum
deleted post, give warnings, ban members.
not know how you fox but i get lot repair in
yes many of them people not fix like screens fault or big prices of boards
i even get many tv`s for fixing from engineers who already tried to fix and in repair bussines for years
i am not agree what ordinary people take your work because we give out to much info to public
in internet 100`s forums and websites with repair info
lot of russian forums give out far more info to public, for our forum
and nobody complain.
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I am well off topic for what I see in this thread, but if I read the title literally, I am OK, so please bear with me. A recent arrival, I just don't know my way around. I found my way here originally through google, and with Firefox bookmarked the page (29.0) where I have posted an LCD query. So, I always arrive there. If I login, I find myself on the home page where there are a couple of current listings. I responded to one of these yesterday, but thought to see if any more replies, but where is it????
If I click the "LCD Forum", I find myself somewhere else (24.0??), and to get back to my first page, I have to go back to my firefox bookmark to get back there.
Will somebody explain the topography of QUUQ.ORG, which I now know contains so much (mostly hidden) stuff of great interest.
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Oldles,
If.you.want to find.your 3 postings, just.search your name (its how I found them at least)
Mulja.
I can assure you,you wouldn't want me to moderate anything. However it would be a refreshing change if the people who used the forum voted for a moderator if one was needed.if voted for I'd do it, happily.
Regards
Andy