P.S the error codes i had in sdm first were 3-5-11-2-8 i cleared the buffer and that was several weeks ago. Now they are 8-2-3-5-11 the same but diff order, 8 i know is the last one to go on etc. I expect to see the 5 because thats where i think the main problem is on startup!! I am givving up on the other forums because i get answers on here!!! thanks guys! ok now for the silly one, can i use a multi meter without the the high voltage probe to discharge the tube? as in fig2-1 page 2 I want wipe the dust off but i dont want it to bite lol