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[Keith]

also i thing to put some technical question on registration page

But the answer could probably be found on Google!

Maybe identify some components in a circuit? UJT's usually catch people out! Caught me out in the past!

TMF ask for proof of qualifications / experience, but there is no real way to check that with the Data protection act and all that.

I think charging a membership fee is the only real way to keep Joe Public and the spammers out. But that will also deter some genuine technicians too.

Mulja could be on to something making certain info compulsory on fault help requests. Insufficient info = post removed?

Tricky, but we will all plod on and make the odd pound.

Anyway, gotta fix this TV that won't switch on, any ideas?

Keith

[sparky]

hi
some people ask's whats causing a fault even before they take the back off
or even have tv in workshop,i think there is no way asking if they have any
qualification all they do is google it for the nessary answer
dave

[dervdub]

I'm guilty of being 'joe public' but try to ensure I give as much info as possible in my posts, mainly so if someone uses the search and my thread/posts are relevant they can use the info to help.

I don't get a huge amount of TV's to fix, but they always seem to end up coming my way, I've had a number of sets that have had attempted repairs (usually Samsungs with new caps but corrupt eeproms)

If the site does change to 'pro only' please consider taking me with you, I promise to behave and post nicely 

[Ohm Supplies]

Would it be difficult to make the forum so you had to log in to see the replies?

Also, if you get asked a direct question, its always nice to get an answer, or is it just me that thinks that?

regards
Andy

[jordan]

Everybody would have to as first,that raises a question for technically solution to position more punctual questions. I would have above all to list very punctual mark of a machine,as many a time is only some additional letters in the background of mark very important because there can be talk about completely different type of chassis. Punctual mark can be punctual answer more as her more.

I would be advising everybody as other, that electronic mail has mail also validly next to his basic data,because own innumerably service instructions and of schemes, that they are surpassing possibility of attaching on this forum and I could forward them in such case directly.
And still something would be very beautiful, that grammatically clean language is being used (not salty) because bi was like this fewer problems over use of translator

[sleepy]

I agree that some new members do come on and post "how to fix this" with no details whatsoever, this can be extremely irritating.
I'm not one of you techie guys, well not where it comes to tv's, but i do understand that to get a coherent reply you need to add as much detail as possible.
Members, like me, who are not tv engineers but do have some experience of electronics (pc's for me), do like to try to learn a little more than most.
I've been online here nearly everyday since joining and do a LOT of reading,thats the best way to learn.
If none tv engineers are barred from the site, people like me, who like to learn, are lumped in with the numpties just looking for a quick fix. Not fair in my opinion.
I'm a mod on a couple of satellite forums so i do understand the frustration that some of our members feel, i feel it to when i read some of these daft posts.

Well guys thats just my opinion, hope it counts for something.  

PS. I'm also good at reporting spammers!

PPS What about there being a forum rules section that all new members MUST visit, there it could be quickly explained that to get an answer to a question as much info must be provided, if not done the post could be removed.

[Turnip]

Hi folks,

Always thought it rather good that this is an open site where most folks are happy to share repair info. Even non-tech folks sometimes notice things qualifed types miss whilst theorising.

Must admit - faced with a fault not met before go web-wide for some sort of answer - most is crap but an occasional gem is discovered.

Thanks Brian, was formerly busy with a curious disposing tat business of a chap - now 94, and in care - who had been collecting electronic gear since WW2, eventually still buying but not bothering opening the boxes.

His wife thought I might sort it and Ebay - depressing results so far.

Unlike you, most modern folks don't know a WW2  CV6 from an RK34 (CV6 - low cap Osc triode /  RK34 - power double triode) as they both have 2 top caps.

Well - It's Norfolk where everything is still possible, and most likely - Chris.

[GGTVBD]

The problem, as we are all aware, in posting in an open forum is your average Barney Bodger Joe Public can read what has often taken us hours to find and years of experience(!)

I'm fed up of constantly being told "I've read this on the internet". "It's capacitators". Etc...

Helping fellow engineers is great. But in doing so in a public forum is shooting ourselves in the feet. If we keep doing so, not sure we'll stay on 'em too much longer.

How about creating a closed group mailing list? Let's face it, there aren't that many useful, active members on here. Even if it were 50, it'd be easy to do. One email cc'd to all in the group, reply if you have an answer. Cuts out the numpties.

Just a thought.

 

[Ohm Supplies]

I agree 100%, no idea why engineers want to put themselves out of work. The problem with a closed group email is you can get 10 people helping 1 person & no one helping another. Also a forum is a good place for ideas to develop. Why not have a sign in page so service info. wasn't able to be seen by the entire internet?

Regards
Andy

[sabre504]

Hi all i must admit i dont post often but that is mainly due to the fact that there are other far better qualified people already answering the people who go to the effort of putting as much info as they can muster for their problem .

Most of the work i end up with is from people who have read on the net about a fix and they have tried it and in the process have done more harm than good .
I agree that there should be a minimum requirement of info on a post ie
Full model num
Board nums and pictures.

And i have had people come to me with their telly saying " I have been told its just a few caps that need replacing should only come to a Tenner "

[mulja]

Hi all i must admit i dont post often but that is mainly due to the fact that there are other far better qualified people already answering the people who go to the effort of putting as much info as they can muster for their problem .

Most of the work i end up with is from people who have read on the net about a fix and they have tried it and in the process have done more harm than good .
I agree that there should be a minimum requirement of info on a post ie
Full model num
Board nums and pictures.

And i have had people come to me with their telly saying " I have been told its just a few caps that need replacing should only come to a Tenner "

Just tell your costumer if he so smart to fix his tv himself

tell him

" he not paying for capacitors which cost £3 and changed take 10 min but for what you know what should be changed  and where its is ( for your brain )  "

may be to fix first tv with this fault you spend days
but now only 10 min ( easy then you know )


ok anyway cant see any specific proposals

what about technical questions and answers on registration page
send to me by private messages

thank to all 

[Ohm Supplies]

Mulja,

"you do not see any specific proposals"

Have you read any of this thread or just bits of it?
Regards
Andy

[Turnip]

Hi Mulja, and well said,

Keen on newcomers, even if a bit doubtful - takes time to become Quuq cool - Chris

[Ohm Supplies]

Mulja.

I know its an oxymoron but why don't you answer any questions that are asked directly at you. Is it some joke I'm not let in on?

[daz]

PROBABLY MY LAST POST

Hi guys
When I first joined this forum I shared  Chris' views, at the time I thought only engineers would be interested in this site with the odd post from joe public, HOW WRONG I WAS!, almost ever customer I see has been on 'tinternet' and tells me it will be a 'capacitator' and only cost a few quid to fix, when I explain that fault wont be caused by a capacitor and I will have to see the set to diagnose the fault I loose the job! Its getting silly
We have made the job look easy and are giving away hours worth of work for free to the public , we have shot ourselfs in the foot. I know some engineers will disagree with me but I suspect their business consists of a good chunk of warranty work, where mine is 100%  public.
So I will still check posts and if I can help other engineers I will respond via email. this is a great forum , PLEASE make it engineers only before we all end up on the dole.